4. Auburn (7-5)(4-4) Losses to Clem, MSU, LSU, ARK,Bama
5. Miss State(7-5)(3-5)Losses to Bama, TX A&M,LSU,ARK, OM
6. Texas A&M(5-7)(3-5)Losses to LaTech, FLA,SC,ARK,LSU,AUB,Bama
7. Ole Miss (5-7)(2-6) Losses to TX,Bama,TX A&M,AUB,ARK,GA,LSU
SEC East
1. Georgia(10-2)(6-2) Losses to SC & AUB
2. South Carolina (10-2)(6-2) Losses to LSU & ARK
3. Florida (8-4)(5-3) Losses to LSU,SC,GA,FSU
4. Vandy(6-6)(2-6)Losses to SC,GA,MO,FLA,AUB,OM
4. Tennessee(6-6)(2-6) Losses to FLA,GA,MSU,BAMA,SC,Vandy
4. Missouri(6-6)(2-6) Losses to GA,SC,BAMA,FLA,TENN,TX A&M
7. Kentucky(4-8)(0-8)Losses to FLA,SC,MSU,ARK,GA,MO,Vandy,TENN
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Just to be clear - you are predicting that Alabama comes into Tiger Stadium and beats LSU but loses to a coachless Arkansas?
Presumptions of Ole Miss wins against MSU and Vandy are even more unlikely.
8/14 12:32 PM | IP: Logged
Arkansas is catching Bama early and Bama has three new DB starters, Bama should have won both LSU games last year but their FG kicker choked in the first one. Saban out coaches Miles most of the time. I think people are underestimating Paul Petrino. He was Wilson't QB coach when he was at Arkansas before his fight with his brother. He'll be calling the plays probably. If Davis is as good as he was two years ago they'll have a potent passing and running game. They may give up a lot of points but they can score a lot too. The Arkansas at South Carolina game was a hard one to pick but Arkansas usually plays them tough in Columbia.
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Heh - funny how Saban out-coaches Miles most of the time but still loses to him most of the time.
Miles makes it three wins in three years over Saban this season.
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As to Arky and OM......
I think you waaayy overrate Arkansas. Wilson is one of the 2 best QB's in the SEC. Davis (if 100%) is a good back, but they lost all but 1 WR and their TE. Their defense will be 2nd tier SEC. I see them as a 5-3 SEC team at BEST...with losses to LSU, Bama and SC (Don't see Spurrier losing 4 in a row to the pigs). AU on the road will be tough for them, and they have struggled with MSU in Starkvegas. A&M has played them close as of late..and they go to Kyle Field.
As to OM.....wins against MSU and Vandy? Have to be a homer to call that! I see OM going 0-8 again in SEC play.
8/15 2:21 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by ranchreb:
SEC West
6. Texas A&M(5-7)(3-5)Losses to LaTech
This!
Yeah, LSU is going to beat Bama in a close one (I have LSU playing a subpar game against Carolina and losing to the Gamecocks. Just think we are due to an upset once this year)
But, I'll be shocked if LA Tech doesn't give AtM everything they bargained for and be in a position to win the game. Maybe even eek it out with a late FG. The Aggies are going to move the ball on the ground for sure but they will be surprised at how good the Bulldog's offense is.
Seeing AtM lose twice in a year to my two favorite schools would be a dream come true!
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Originally posted by ranchreb:
Arkansas is catching Bama early and Bama has three new DB starters, Bama should have won both LSU games last year but their FG kicker choked in the first one. Saban out coaches Miles most of the time. I think people are underestimating Paul Petrino. He was Wilson't QB coach when he was at Arkansas before his fight with his brother. He'll be calling the plays probably. If Davis is as good as he was two years ago they'll have a potent passing and running game. They may give up a lot of points but they can score a lot too. The Arkansas at South Carolina game was a hard one to pick but Arkansas usually plays them tough in Columbia.
I wouldn't say the kicker choked since most attempts were well over 40 yards. Here is a list of distances:
Cade Foster 1st 12:09 44 yds - Missed Cade Foster 1st 02:17 50 yds - Missed Jeremy Shelley 2nd 12:46 49 yds - Blocked Jeremy Shelley 2nd 03:53 34 yds - Good Cade Foster 3rd 07:56 46 yds - Good Cade Foster OT 15:00 52 yds - Missed
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Looks like it was the offense that 'choked' to me.
Look, LSU laid an absolute egg in the title game - they were playing against the #1 defense in the nation who had the benefit of a 'practice game' and six weeks to prepare... not to mention an entire host of their own problems. I don't think anyone in the nation would have beaten Bama that night they came out and executed so well...
...but that doesn't mean people have to keep re-writing history when it comes to the first match-up. LSU went into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama in a very tough game. Blaming a handful of missed 50 yard FG's just makes someone look petty and uninformed.
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Just don't see Carolina as a threat. Their ranking is based solely on the East being down. Their OL is far from great, and while a healthy Lattimore is a great back, he's not better than Richardson was, and TR had a much better passing attack than what SC will have. Defensively, they should be pretty solid, but again..this is in BR, and SC doesn't have the depth or the scheme to win this game.
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Originally posted by LSUTiger87: Just don't see Carolina as a threat. Their ranking is based solely on the East being down. Their OL is far from great, and while a healthy Lattimore is a great back, he's not better than Richardson was, and TR had a much better passing attack than what SC will have. Defensively, they should be pretty solid, but again..this is in BR, and SC doesn't have the depth or the scheme to win this game.
Agreed. USCe always seems to have some great parts - truly elite parts in fact. This year its RB and DE. But while those parts allow it to occasionally upset someone and to threaten anyone, its never quite enough to get them over the hump since they lack depth and support from other positions to play at an elite level.
I think Lattimore is clearly one of the best if not the best RB in the conference and the nation. I think Clowney and the other starting DL are superlative. Having said that, I'm not sure how many positions #1-46 (2-deep plus specialists) that I would take what they had over what we have. 2 or 3 at most.
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Originally posted by ranchreb:
Arkansas is catching Bama early and Bama has three new DB starters, Bama should have won both LSU games last year but their FG kicker choked in the first one. Saban out coaches Miles most of the time. I think people are underestimating Paul Petrino. He was Wilson't QB coach when he was at Arkansas before his fight with his brother. He'll be calling the plays probably. If Davis is as good as he was two years ago they'll have a potent passing and running game. They may give up a lot of points but they can score a lot too. The Arkansas at South Carolina game was a hard one to pick but Arkansas usually plays them tough in Columbia.
We have two new DB's in our base and three new DB's in nickle. One of those new DB's is Sunseri and he played a ton last year. I think we beat Arky but the LSU game is a tossup.
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Originally posted by LSUwiggz: Heh - funny how Saban out-coaches Miles most of the time but still loses to him most of the time.
Miles makes it three wins in three years over Saban this season.
For the sake of accuracy, Saban is 3-3 vs Miles.
2007- Miles won 41-34 2008- Saban won 27-21 2009- Saban won 24-15 2010- Miles won 24-21 2011- Miles won 9-6 2011b- Saban won 21-0
8/16 4:07 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by LSUwiggz: Looks like it was the offense that 'choked' to me.
Look, LSU laid an absolute egg in the title game - they were playing against the #1 defense in the nation who had the benefit of a 'practice game' and six weeks to prepare... not to mention an entire host of their own problems. I don't think anyone in the nation would have beaten Bama that night they came out and executed so well...
...but that doesn't mean people have to keep re-writing history when it comes to the first match-up. LSU went into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama in a very tough game. Blaming a handful of missed 50 yard FG's just makes someone look petty and uninformed.
We lost the first game but it seems to me that you're the one re-writing history. The score is all that matters but it wasn't like Bama was dominated in that first game. We had more total yards and more 1st downs but we failed to score more points. I guess I could say we laid an egg too if I wanted to try and take credit away from LSU winning the actual game.
We played against a decent defense as well in the title game who ALSO had the benefit of a practice game but they only had a measly 5 weeks to prepare so perhaps that explains how LSU, once again, got the short end of the stick according to you.
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Originally posted by Friendly Foe:
Originally posted by ranchreb:
Arkansas is catching Bama early and Bama has three new DB starters, Bama should have won both LSU games last year but their FG kicker choked in the first one. Saban out coaches Miles most of the time. I think people are underestimating Paul Petrino. He was Wilson't QB coach when he was at Arkansas before his fight with his brother. He'll be calling the plays probably. If Davis is as good as he was two years ago they'll have a potent passing and running game. They may give up a lot of points but they can score a lot too. The Arkansas at South Carolina game was a hard one to pick but Arkansas usually plays them tough in Columbia.
I wouldn't say the kicker choked since most attempts were well over 40 yards. Here is a list of distances:
Cade Foster 1st 12:09 44 yds - Missed Cade Foster 1st 02:17 50 yds - Missed Jeremy Shelley 2nd 12:46 49 yds - Blocked Jeremy Shelley 2nd 03:53 34 yds - Good Cade Foster 3rd 07:56 46 yds - Good Cade Foster OT 15:00 52 yds - Missed
Foster had a bad year. He had the tougher kicks but he was 2 of 9 in 2012. That's not meant as an excuse but good Lord, he'll need to be better in 2012 or he needs to be holding a clipboard.
8/16 4:18 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by BamaFan1137:
Originally posted by LSUwiggz: Looks like it was the offense that 'choked' to me.
Look, LSU laid an absolute egg in the title game - they were playing against the #1 defense in the nation who had the benefit of a 'practice game' and six weeks to prepare... not to mention an entire host of their own problems. I don't think anyone in the nation would have beaten Bama that night they came out and executed so well...
...but that doesn't mean people have to keep re-writing history when it comes to the first match-up. LSU went into Tuscaloosa and beat Alabama in a very tough game. Blaming a handful of missed 50 yard FG's just makes someone look petty and uninformed.
We lost the first game but it seems to me that you're the one re-writing history. The score is all that matters but it wasn't like Bama was dominated in that first game. We had more total yards and more 1st downs but we failed to score more points. I guess I could say we laid an egg too if I wanted to try and take credit away from LSU winning the actual game.
We played against a decent defense as well in the title game who ALSO had the benefit of a practice game but they only had a measly 5 weeks to prepare so perhaps that explains how LSU, once again, got the short end of the stick according to you.
Still running with blinders on, eh?
"I don't think anyone in the nation would have beaten Bama that night they came out and executed so well..."
I say it often and in more detail on our main board when discussing how poorly LSU played that its foolish not to give credit where its deserved and that's all on Bama. Their game-plan was excellent, their execution nearly flawless and in the latter half they simply wanted it more. The fact that I don't think they should have been in the game at all doesn't change the fact that we were absolutely out-classed that night.
As I've often said.
As I said in the post above, the very post you quoted.
8/16 4:27 PM | IP: Logged
You could be right. I think Wilson could pick the Bama D apart though, especially with 3 new DB's in the backfield.
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Originally posted by ranchreb:
You could be right. I think Wilson could pick the Bama D apart though, especially with 3 new DB's in the backfield.
It's possible but I guess I have a hard time calling Sunseri new. The only guy new to this system is Belue as a JC transfer. Maybe I'm dancing around what I'm really thinking here though because I would be more worried if Bobby was still there. His son may well be a fine OC and play caller but their team as a whole seems to be in disarray to some degree since Bobby left so abruptly.
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Originally posted by ranchreb:
SEC West
1. LSU (11-1) (7-1) Loss to Bama
1. Arkansas (11-1) (7-1) Loss to LSU
1. Alabama (11-1)(7-1) Loss to Ark
4. Auburn (7-5)(4-4) Losses to Clem, MSU, LSU, ARK,Bama
5. Miss State(7-5)(3-5)Losses to Bama, TX A&M,LSU,ARK, OM
6. Texas A&M(5-7)(3-5)Losses to LaTech, FLA,SC,ARK,LSU,AUB,Bama
7. Ole Miss (5-7)(2-6) Losses to TX,Bama,TX A&M,AUB,ARK,GA,LSU
SEC East
1. Georgia(10-2)(6-2) Losses to SC & AUB
2. South Carolina (10-2)(6-2) Losses to LSU & ARK
3. Florida (8-4)(5-3) Losses to LSU,SC,GA,FSU
4. Vandy(6-6)(2-6)Losses to SC,GA,MO,FLA,AUB,OM
4. Tennessee(6-6)(2-6) Losses to FLA,GA,MSU,BAMA,SC,Vandy
4. Missouri(6-6)(2-6) Losses to GA,SC,BAMA,FLA,TENN,TX A&M
7. Kentucky(4-8)(0-8)Losses to FLA,SC,MSU,ARK,GA,MO,Vandy,TENN
East looks about right, in the west its going to be
1. LSU 12-0
2. Bama 11-1
3. Arky 9-3
4. Auburn 7-5
5. Texas A&M 7-5
6. MSU 6-6
7. OM 4-8
This year LSU schedule is a heck of a lot easier, We have some early games to get Mett and the young guys in the secondary ready. I'm worried about the UF, USCe and A&M strecth, especially that last one at College Station. Very dangerous. Of course Bama will be a war and that last one with Arkansas will be dangerous as it always is up there. But I think LSU will wear out teams this year and beat UGA in the SECCG rematch from last year. Then on to Miami where it will either be USC or Bama although I have a feeling the voters will not want another all SEC final
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Agree jandk, an all-SEC match-up is entirely unlikely. It took a lot of things falling just right for it to happen and after the hullabaloo after last year, I think the voters would put in a team everyone believes is a lesser opponent to avoid a repeat of an all-SEC match-up. The ONLY possibility I could imagine is if Bama went undefeated and they gave a 1 loss LSU team a second bite of the apple. That would be karmic, just, funny as heck and awesome imo.
UGA may lose 2 games but I would be surprised if they lost to Auburn. The game is in Auburn and their QB and OL will have a little more experience by then but UGA looks like the better team. Depth is a concern along UGA's OL but it is for Auburn too. The biggest advantage Auburn will have is at RB but UGA has a HUGE advantage at QB and on D imo.
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You notice I said "could" pick the Bama defense apart. I think Arkansas could win the NC if Bobby were still there. I think LSU and Arkansas are the only teams capable of beating Bama. Bama and Arkansas are the only two teams capable of beating LSU. Arkansas is less talented defensively but more talented than LSU and Bama offensively and they have home field advantage over LSU and Bama. Arkansas will be in the hunt.
This post was edited on 8/19 2:46 PM by ranchreb
8/19 2:38 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by ranchreb:
You notice I said "could" pick the Bama defense apart. I think Arkansas could win the NC if Bobby were still there. I think LSU and Arkansas are the only teams capable of beating Bama. Bama and Arkansas are the only two teams capable of beating LSU. Arkansas is less talented defensively but more talented than LSU and Bama offensively and they have home field advantage over LSU and Bama. Arkansas will be in the hunt.
This post was edited on 8/19 2:46 PM by ranchreb
Agree Arky offense is better, but the same problem will unfold like last year, both Bama and LSU will wear them down, but also I think LSU and Bama will have better offenses, If Mett gets going early, LSU will be special. As for Bama many think losing TR will hurt them, to me its going to make them open up a little more and they did show on Jan 9th they can move the ball in the air against a damn good defense. The reason why I think LSU takes Bama this year is that Bama's defense will just not be as good and Mett will make a difference.
Ranch how have you been holding up these days. I see your still doing a lot of work, you have to work on the term retirement my friend. Hopefully storm season permitting I can get up with you at the OM game this year in BR
8/19 11:49 PM | IP: Logged
we appreciate the credit your giving us. i think were a little deeper than you may realize. i hope its a good game.
8/20 1:45 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by ranchreb:
You notice I said "could" pick the Bama defense apart. I think Arkansas could win the NC if Bobby were still there. I think LSU and Arkansas are the only teams capable of beating Bama. Bama and Arkansas are the only two teams capable of beating LSU. Arkansas is less talented defensively but more talented than LSU and Bama offensively and they have home field advantage over LSU and Bama. Arkansas will be in the hunt.
This post was edited on 8/19 2:46 PM by ranchreb
I did notice and I meant no offense. I agreed on the Bobby part, on how good they could have been, I just wasn't so sure that having his son as the OC would make up the difference of losing Bobby. I agree with you that Arkansas is the most capable of beating Bama and LSU but I think Arkansas will lose both games, perhaps by narrow margins. I also could see them losing at least one more. Getting their RB back is huge for them however so we'll see.
8/20 9:34 AM | IP: Logged
Paul Petrino is Bobby's brother..not his son.
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I think SC has a legitimate shot at winning the East. Outside of UGA & SC, the East doesn't have a legitimate top 25 team, since UF is still rebuilding. The West however has 3 top 10 teams..and AU, the 4th best team in the West still went 2-1 vs the East last year and will be improved and would go 5-2 at worst vs the East this year were they to play all 7 teams. Were the game in Columbia, your gamecocks might have a fighting chance, but your offense isn't the type to give LSU trouble, and your defense while solid is not in the same league as Bama's or LSU's.
8/20 10:30 AM | IP: Logged
the defense was third, right behind bama and lsu.
8/20 2:09 PM | IP: Logged
Well it played in the weak SEC East...yet it couldn't stop Arkansas..a team that LSU and Bama raped..nor Georgia...a team LSU shredded in the one half! And you have nothing left in your secondary....and another injury at that! Outside of your 2 DE's...neither of which I would trade for Montgomery....questions across the board!! As to offense..Lattimore is certainly a top back if healthy..but again depth!! WR....Jeffries is gone! Sorry..you are ranked where youare because the East is between SC and UGA...and other than being on the receiving end of the worst ass whipping in SEC title game history, what has SC really done?
This post was edited on 8/20 3:21 PM by LSUTiger87
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here we go. start beatin your di.. we have plenty of depth behind latti. shaw rushed for 525yds. last year as a quaterback. bruce ellington is a great running back.brandon wilds stepped up. mike davis is great. look yal have a great team, im not tryin to say you dont. i just hope we give you a good game.
......and i dont care who you would trade for and who you wouldnt. i like who we have
8/20 3:35 PM | IP: Logged
.nor Georgia...?
8/20 3:51 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by LSUTiger87: Paul Petrino is Bobby's brother..not his son.
Noted....not that it changes much.
8/20 4:46 PM | IP: Logged
Then why come here beating yours? Carolina is not the one of the toughest 2 games on our schedule. That would be Bama and Arkansas.
Lattimore if healthy could well be the best back int he conference..outside of him, nothing on your offense is near the same level. Other than Lattimore, your #2 back would be 5th or 6th on our depth chart. The difference is..we fully expect to win..by 2-3 scores. You hope to give us a good game. And you may not want to trade..but most everyone else would!
8/20 5:22 PM | IP: Logged
im not beating my chest. i just said i appreciated the credit some of yal were giving us. its not very often we get to hear that from an lsu or bama.
8/20 5:30 PM | IP: Logged
You gave up 42 points in a game that was anyone's to win.....we held them to 10! You gave up over 40 to Arky...we held them to 10 offensively (with a fumble return for their other 7). We also played 2 far better offenses than anything you saw in WVU and Oregon...so YES.. GEORGIA..who out up over 400 yds on your defense.
AU put 100 yds more. UF put 50 more yds on you. MSU put 100 more yds on you....you only did better vs UK by 60 yds & UT by 50, whom we blew out and put the scrubs in early while you struggled to win. You beefed up on a weak OOC schedule.
8/20 5:32 PM | IP: Logged
again thank you.see you in Baton Rouge.
8/20 5:40 PM | IP: Logged
Carolina game will be a test for LSU, they're in between UF and Texas A&M. Glad we have them at home in that slot, on the road I would say it would be our biggest trap game. The East comes down to UGA and Carolina, I think UGA but would not surprise me if its Carolina, we may play them twice next year.
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Well...if that was your intention no foul..but it sounded somewhat backhanded.
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LSU's "O" doesn't need to be better than arky's. Tiger "O" needs to be better than the hawgs "D". They were last year and they will be again this year.
LSU's "D" had a very good game against wilson last year and I expect the same this season. If the arky O-line isn't greatly improved wilson might not make the season. He might be done before thanksgiving.
8/25 7:42 PM | IP: Logged
Kind of fun to go back and look at this halfway through the season to see how your prediction is panning out. It would seem 87 was right (sorta) about Arkansas being over rated. Although he too over rated them with his 5-3 prediction. Your Ole Miss prediction might be proven correct afterall which I will admit I too thought was generous when the season was beginning. Time will tell.
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Yep! Every team is different every year. A teams chemistry changes even during the season. The one thing I think we can all agree on. Much to the rest of the nations disappointment, The SEC is the top conference year in and year out and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
10/11 6:30 PM | IP: Logged
Interested in whether the opinion on USC has changed.
I really like our depth on the DL. Our defense is top 5 quality for sure. Clowney is the best player in the country, and its not even close.
Our offense may not be flashy or have a done of depth, but we have great balance. Spurrier made UGA's defense look silly. They had no clue how to stop us. Playing against LSU's defense will be a much tougher challenge, but I think that if we have success on the ground we will win the game.
Anyway, lets play the game and see how it goes...
FWIW - you and everyone else were wrong about Florida.
10/12 10:46 AM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by ranchreb:
SEC West
1. LSU (11-1) (7-1) Loss to Bama
1. Arkansas (11-1) (7-1) Loss to LSU
1. Alabama (11-1)(7-1) Loss to Ark
4. Auburn (7-5)(4-4) Losses to Clem, MSU, LSU, ARK,Bama
5. Miss State(7-5)(3-5)Losses to Bama, TX A&M,LSU,ARK, OM
6. Texas A&M(5-7)(3-5)Losses to LaTech, FLA,SC,ARK,LSU,AUB,Bama
7. Ole Miss (5-7)(2-6) Losses to TX,Bama,TX A&M,AUB,ARK,GA,LSU
SEC East
1. Georgia(10-2)(6-2) Losses to SC & AUB
2. South Carolina (10-2)(6-2) Losses to LSU & ARK
3. Florida (8-4)(5-3) Losses to LSU,SC,GA,FSU
4. Vandy(6-6)(2-6)Losses to SC,GA,MO,FLA,AUB,OM
4. Tennessee(6-6)(2-6) Losses to FLA,GA,MSU,BAMA,SC,Vandy
4. Missouri(6-6)(2-6) Losses to GA,SC,BAMA,FLA,TENN,TX A&M
7. Kentucky(4-8)(0-8)Losses to FLA,SC,MSU,ARK,GA,MO,Vandy,TENN
I'm not saying South Carolina will win the east but, according to what you have, wouldn't South Carolina be #1 in the east having the same record as Georgia and beating them head to head?
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