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Nick Saban, Urban Meyer and Bill Snyder rank as the best coaches in college football.






Nick Saban, Urban Meyer and Bill Snyder rank as the best coaches in college football.


Coaching is one of the driving forces in building a national championship team or program. No matter how much talent a program has, it can't win a national title if the coaching is questionable.


Considering how important coaches are to teams or even making preseason predictions, Athlon is taking a look at how all 125 college football coaches rank nationally.


Ranking the coaches in any college football conference or nationally is a difficult task. Many factors play into just how successful a coach is at any school. How well are the assistants paid? Are the facilities up to par with the rest of the conference? Can the coach recruit or is he more of an X's and O's manager? Are there off-the-field or age issues to take into consideration? Has a coach built a program or continued the success from a previous coach? How is the resume outside of their current position? These questions and more were posed to the editors at Athlon Sports, as they were asked to rank the coaches for all 125 programs. One thing to keep in mind - the record is not always indicative of where a coach should rank nationally.

Coach Rankings for 2013: ACC | Big East | Big 12 | Big Ten | Pac-12 | SEC


Ranking All 125 College Football Head Coaches for 2013


1. Nick Saban, Alabama
Record at Alabama: 68-13 (2007-present)
Record at LSU: 48-16 (2000-04)
Record at Michigan State: 34-24-1 (1995-99)
Record at Toledo: 9-2 (1990)
Overall Record: 159-55-1 (17 years)


Saban is without question the best coach in college football. He started his career as a head coach in 1990 with Toledo, then spent the next four seasons as the defensive coordinator with the Cleveland Browns. In 1995, Saban was hired as Michigan State's head coach and guided the Spartans to a 34-24-1 record under his watch. Saban left East Lansing for Baton Rouge and LSU in 2000 and led the Tigers to a 48-16 record in five years, including a national championship in 2003. Saban had a two-year stint with the Dolphins but jumped at the opportunity to lead Alabama in 2007. After a 7-6 record in his first season, Saban is 61-7 in his last five years with the Crimson Tide, which includes three national championships. At 61 years old, Saban is still at the top of his game and should have Alabama in the mix for a SEC and national title every year he is on the sidelines.
 


2. Urban Meyer, Ohio State
Record at Ohio State: 12-0 (2012-present)
Record at Florida: 65-15 (2005-2010)
Record at Utah: 22-2 (2003-04)
Record at Bowling Green: 17-6 (2001-02)
Overall Record: 116-23 (11 years)


Really the only thing left on Meyer's resume is to defeat an SEC school in the national championship. In his first year at Ohio State, he took a 6-7 Buckeyes team and turned them into a perfect 12-0 program, proving his past successes were no fluke. He already claims two BCS National Championships, four conference titles (would have been five had OSU been eligible last year), three conference Coach of the Year awards, one Heisman winner and one national Coach of the Year honor. In each stop along the way, Meyer has proven to have an immediate impact on the program be it at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida or Ohio State. He is an elite recruiter and an elite talent developer. No, he isn't the nicest or most honest guy in the business, but his teams are extremely well coached and they win big.


RELATED: Help us pick Athlon's 2013 Ohio State Preseason College Football Cover! 



3. Bill Snyder, Kansas State
Overall Record at Kansas State: 
170-85-1 (1989-2005, 2009-present, 21 years)


Snyder doesn't get the national credit like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, but there's no denying he is one of the best coaches in college football. Prior to his arrival at Kansas State, the Wildcats had just one bowl appearance and recorded only one winning season from 1971-88. After Snyder's arrival, Kansas State immediately went from a laughingstock to a consistent winner. The Wildcats won six games in Snyder's first two seasons but recorded 10 years of nine victories or more from 1993-2003. Snyder retired after the 2005 season, but a failed three-year stint under Ron Prince brought him back to the sidelines. And just as Kansas State did in Snyder's first stint, the program quickly emerged as a conference title contender and was in the mix to play for the national title last season. Snyder isn't flashy, but his teams are always well-coached and prepared. As long as Snyder roams the sidelines in Manhattan, regardless of how many starters Kansas State loses, never count out the Wildcats from the Big 12 title discussion.
 


4. Brian Kelly, Notre Dame
Record at Notre Dame: 28-11 (2010-present)
Record at Cincinnati: 34-6 (2007-09)
Record at Central Michigan: 19-16 (2004-06)
Record at Grand Valley State: 118-35-2 (1991-2003)
Overall Record: 199-68-2 (23 years)


Not many coaches in college football can rival Kelly's resume in four stops as a head coach. Kelly's first head coaching gig came in 1991 at Grand Valley State, and he stayed in that capacity until 2003. During 13 years with Grand Valley State, Kelly went 118-35-2 and won two Division II titles. After his success with the Lakers, Kelly went 19-16 with Central Michigan, which included a MAC Championship in 2006. Kelly moved on to Cincinnati at the end of the 2006 season and guided the Bearcats to back-to-back Big East titles in 2008 and 2009. After back to-back 8-5 seasons with Notre Dame, Kelly led the Fighting Irish to an appearance in the BCS National Championship game at the end of the 2012 season. Despite the blowout loss to Alabama in the title game, Kelly clearly has the program back on track to be an annual top 10-15 team. 
 


5. Steve Spurrier, South Carolina
Record at South Carolina: 66-37 (2005-present)
Record at Florida: 122-27-1 (1990-2001)
Record at Duke: 20-13-1 1987-89)
Overall Record: 208-77-2 (22 years)


After six consecutive seasons with at least five losses, Spurrier has delivered two (if not three) of the best seasons in South Carolina football history. It clearly took some time to build the Gamecocks into a consistent winner for the first time in program history. But there is no doubt the Gamecocks have become one of the league's top contenders. Not only is Spurrier extremely relevant in the league heading into the 2013 season at age 68 (April 20), but he has achieved at a high level over time as well. in a conference known for its ability to devour quality coaches, few have proven to be as adaptable and as consistent as Spurrier. He has an incredible 122-41 record in SEC play over his 20-year career in the league for an average of more than six conference wins per season (6.1). With one national championship under his belt from his time at Florida, should he bring a conference crown to Columbia, his name would belong with those two guys from Alabama as the SEC's greatest of all-time. The only problem is Carolina has gone from first to second to third in the East the last three seasons despite appearing to get better on the field.
 


6. Chris Petersen, Boise State
Overall Record at Boise State: 84-8 (2006-present)


There are few coaches in college football with a more impressive resume than Petersen. In seven years with the Broncos, Petersen has recorded at least 10 wins in every season. He has also never lost more than three games in a single season during his tenure in Boise. Also, Boise State has played in two BCS bowl games and has four finishes inside of the top 10 of the final Associated Press poll. Despites overtures from BCS programs, Petersen hasn't showed any interest in leaving Boise State. Under his watch, the Broncos have upgraded their facilities and landed a favorable deal to stay in the Mountain West, instead of joining the American Athletic Conference (formerly known as the Big East). Even though college football's postseason format will change, expect Boise State to remain a player on the national scene as long as Petersen is on the sidelines. And BCS programs will keep calling the California native, but Petersen seems pretty comfortable in Boise.  



7. Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
Overall Record: 149-37 (1999-present, 14 years)


Stoops has been the picture of consistency and success during his Oklahoma tenure. The Sooners have won at least 10 games in 11 of Stoops' 14 seasons in Norman and claimed the national title after the 2000 season. Under his guidance, Oklahoma has emerged as a national powerhouse once again. The Sooners have claimed at least a share of the Big 12 title nine times under Stoops and have eight BCS bowl appearances. And after a 10-3 record in 2012, which would be considered a successful year for most programs, Stoops didn't sit idle. Oklahoma will have three new assistant coaches for 2013, which should inject some fresh energy into the program. Even though some may criticize Stoops for his 1-5 record in the last six BCS bowls, the Ohio native is still one of the nation's premier coaches.
 


8. Bobby Petrino, Western Kentucky
Record at Western Kentucky: 0-0 (First Season)
Record at Arkansas: 34-17 (2008-2011)
Record at Louisville: 41-9 (2003-06)
Overall Record: 75-26 (8 years)


Petrino's tenure at Arkansas ended in disastrous fashion thanks to one motorcycle ride in April. After sitting out 2012, Petrino is back on the sidelines ? with a job that's a lot less high-profile than Arkansas: Western Kentucky. The Hilltoppers made significant progress under former coach Willie Taggart, and Petrino should be able to build on that in 2013. At each of his stops as a collegiate head coach, Petrino built an instant winner. In his first season at Louisville, the Cardinals went 9-4 and finished 12-1 in 2006 with a Big East title and Orange Bowl victory over Wake Forest. Petrino had a failed stint in the NFL with the Falcons, but he returned to the sidelines at Arkansas and led the Razorbacks to a 34-17 record in four seasons. Make no mistake: Petrino isn't going to be on the sidelines for very long in Bowling Green. However, until a BCS program decides to hire him, Petrino will be very successful at Western Kentucky



9. Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech
Record at Virginia Tech: 216-104-2 (1987-present)
Record at Murray State: 42-23-2 (1981-1986)
Overall Record: 258-127-4 (31 years)


First as a player and now as the head coach, Beamer has been a part of Virginia Tech football for four decades, and his success has made "Beamerball" a recognized commodity both within and outside of the state. After a slow start to his coaching career at Tech, Beamer has led the Hokies to 20 straight bowl games dating back to 1993. During this time he won three Big East championships ? including one memorable run at the national title with Michael Vick in 1999 ? four ACC titles and five conference Coach of the Year Awards. In eight years of playing in the Coastal, Beamer has won the division five times. His seven-win 2012 campaign ended an eight-year run with at least 10 wins and it forced him to make some coaching changes. That said, he is still the longest tenured and winningest active coach in college football.



10. Gary Patterson, TCU
Overall Record at TCU: 116-36 (2000-present, 13 years)


Since 2000, TCU has played in the WAC, Conference USA, Mountain West and Big 12. The one constant and driving force behind the conference changes and rise of TCU as one of college football's top-25 programs of the BCS era: Gary Patterson. The Kansas native had no FBS head coaching experience when he was promoted at TCU in 2000 but has eight seasons of 10 or more wins, including a 13-0 mark in 2010. The Horned Frogs dominated the Mountain West from 2005-2011, losing only seven conference games during that stretch. Moving to the Big 12 is a step up in competition for TCU. But the program has a lucrative recruiting base, and Patterson is clearly one of the top-15 coaches in the nation. As long as the Horned Frogs continue to recruit well, competing in the Big 12 won't be a problem.



11. Mark Richt, Georgia
Overall Record at Georgia: 118-40 (2001-present, 12 years)


Yes, Spurrier has been around longer than the Georgia coach, but along with Gary Pinkel of Missouri, Richt is your longest tenured coach in the nation's toughest league. And he added his sixth SEC East title and fifth SEC title game appearance to his resume in 2012. A model of consistency, Richt has won at least eight games in all but one of his 12 SEC campaigns and has never finished a regular season under .500 and never missed a postseason. Fans were restless following the low point of the tenure ? a loss to UCF in the Liberty Bowl following the 2010 season, but he made quality staff adjustments and has rebounded with back-to-back SEC championship game appearances. Richt returned the Dawgs to prominence with two SEC titles in 2002 and 2005, but after three straight losses in Atlanta, Georgia faithful are eagerly waiting to cap a season a with a win in the Georgia Dome rather than a loss. A win would likely earn Richt his third SEC Coach of the Year award.

Related Content: Ranking the SEC Head Coaches for 2013



12. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern
Overall Record at Northwestern: 50-39 (2006-present, 7 years)


Fitzgerald is the perfect fit at Northwestern, and he continues to take the program to new heights. The Illinois native starred at linebacker for the Wildcats from 1993-96 and was a two-time Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Fitzgerald had no coordinator experience when he was promoted to the top spot at Northwestern and took over the program in a difficult time, replacing Randy Walker after his unexpected death in 2006. Despite his inexperience on the sidelines, Fitzgerald has been a home-run hire for Northwestern. The Wildcats are 50-39 under his watch and have played in five consecutive bowl games. Northwestern earned its first bowl victory since the 1949 Rose Bowl by beating Mississippi State 34-20 in last season's Gator Bowl. Fitzgerald is never going to reel in top-25 recruiting classes, but he has done a good job of finding and developing plenty of talent during his tenure. As long as Fitzgerald stays on the sidelines in Evanston, expect the Wildcats to remain a consistent contender in the Big Ten Legends Division, and they could start 2013 in the preseason top 25.
 


13. Art Briles, Baylor 
Record at Baylor: 33-30 (2008-present)
Record at Houston: 34-28 (2003-07)
Overall Record: 67-58 (10 years) 


From 1997-2007, Baylor was one of the Big 12's worst programs. The Bears compiled a 31-94 mark and did not record a bowl appearance during that stretch. Enter Art Briles. Since Briles' arrival, the Bears have been much more competitive in the Big 12. Baylor has 25 victories over the last three seasons and has played in three consecutive bowl games for the first time in program history. Briles' success isn't contained just to Baylor, as he took over Houston and went 34-28 in five years with the Cougars. Two different programs, two challenging and different reclamation efforts. Considering what Briles has done on the high school level, at Houston and now at Baylor, he's easily one of college football's top-20 coaches going into the 2013 season.   

Related Content: Ranking the Big 12 Coaches for 2013
 


14. Brady Hoke, Michigan
Record at Michigan: 19-7 (2011-present)
Record at San Diego State: 13-12 (2009-10)
Record at Ball State: 34-38 (2003-08)
Overall Record: 66-57 (10 years)


After turning around Ball State and San Diego State, Hoke was Michigan's pick to lead the program back to national prominence. So far, so good. The Wolverines are 19-7 under Hoke's watch and have back-to-back 6-2 records in conference play. Michigan also won the Sugar Bowl against Virginia Tech to cap its first season under Hoke's watch and has finished each of the past two seasons ranked in the Associated Press top 25. Although Hoke posted an overall losing mark at Ball State (34-38), the program didn't have a winning record in the six seasons prior to his arrival. He was able to guide the Cardinals to back-to-back bowl games for the first time in school history, including a 12-1 regular season record in 2008. San Diego State was considered an annual underachiever prior to Hoke, but he led the Aztecs to the 2010 Poinsettia Bowl ? their first postseason appearance since 1998. As a Michigan man, Hoke is a perfect fit in Ann Arbor. And after two seasons, Hoke has the Wolverines poised once again to be a threat to win the Big Ten title every year.

Related Content: Ranking the Big Ten Coaches for 2013
 


15. Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
Overall Record at Oklahoma State: 67-35 (2005-present, 8 years)


Even though Gundy ranks No. 5 in Athlon's Big 12 coach rankings for 2013, there's not much separating the former Oklahoma State quarterback from the rest of the coaches in the conference. And it's also hard to find a coach in the nation that's a better fit at their current program. Considering Gundy played at Oklahoma State and served as an assistant prior to being elevated to head coach, he's the perfect leader for a program that has made significant gains over the last 10 years. After going 18-19 in his first three seasons, Gundy has led the Cowboys to five consecutive seasons of at least eight victories. Oklahoma State recorded a 23-3 mark from 2010-11, which included an outright Big 12 title in 2011 and a Fiesta Bowl victory over Stanford. Having a booster like T. Boone Pickens certainly doesn't hurt Oklahoma State, especially when it comes to building new facilities. However, Gundy has elevated the Cowboys from battling just for bowl berths to conference titles in just a few seasons. 
 


16. Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
Record at Texas A&M: 11-2 (2012-present)
Record at Houston: 35-17 (2008-2011)
Overall Record: 46-19 (5 years)


Sumlin's debut at Texas A&M was a rousing success. In the Aggies' first season in the SEC, Sumlin guided Texas A&M to an 11-2 record, helped to propel quarterback Johnny Manziel to the Heisman, and had the Aggies on the doorstep of playing in a BCS bowl. Sumlin came to Texas A&M after a 35-17 record in four seasons at Houston, which included a 12-1 mark in 2011. The Alabama native built a strong resume as an assistant, making stops at Wyoming, Minnesota, Purdue, Texas A&M and at Oklahoma under Bob Stoops. One of the underrated aspects of Sumlin's hire was a top-notch coaching staff, which included Kliff Kingsbury and Brian Polian, who both departed for head coaching jobs in the offseason. However, Sumlin restocked his staff, and with Texas A&M reeling in a top-10 recruiting class, the future looks bright in College Station. Sumlin's next priority? Cut into Texas' hold on the state and elevate Texas A&M into a consistent contender in the SEC.
 


17. James Franklin, Vanderbilt
Overall Record at Vanderbilt:
 15-11 (2011-present, 2 years)


Vanderbilt had never been to back-to-back bowl games in program history, but in just two short years, that is exactly what Franklin has done for the Commodores. It really is the only statistic that matters as Vandy has achieved at a higher level than ever before in the 117-year history of the program. With the only exception of attendance ? which is still very strong compared to pre-Franklin standards ? everything about this program screams S-E-C. Franklin has the Dores recruiting at an all-time rate, the offense is scoring at unprecedented levels and the program as a whole has a swagger never before seen on West End. Franklin is meticulous in his holistic and forward-thinking approach to selling a program and its exactly what a program like Vanderbilt has to have if it wants to continue to grow and contend with much more powerful SEC programs.
 


18. Charlie Strong, Louisville
Record at Louisville: 25-14 (2010-present)
Record at Florida: 0-1 (2004 Peach Bowl)
Overall Record: 25-15 (3 full years)


Strong had to wait a while for his first head coaching gig, but the Arkansas native has shown in just three full seasons he is one of the top 25 coaches in the nation. After stops as an assistant at Florida, Ole Miss, Notre Dame and South Carolina, Strong was hired as Louisville's head coach in 2010. He didn't inherit a full cupboard from the previous coaching staff, so it was no surprise Strong went 7-6 in each of his first two years in Louisville. However, the Cardinals took flight in 2012, winning 11 games (including an impressive Sugar Bowl victory over Florida). Strong turned down overtures from other BCS programs and will be tough to pry away from Louisville. If the Cardinals finish in the top 10 as most expect in 2013, expect to see Strong's name move even higher on the list of the nation's best coaches.
 


19. Al Golden, Miami
Record at Miami: 13-11 (2011-present)
Record at Temple: 27-34 (2006-2010)
Overall Record: 40-45 (6 years)


Golden earned the Miami job after building bottom feeder Temple into a MAC contender. He didn't have a losing league record in his final four seasons in Philly and earned MAC Coach of the Year honors in 2009. A massive NCAA scandal involving super booster Nevin Shapiro didn't slow Golden's recruiting efforts and his team showed improvement last fall by winning the ACC's Coastal Division. Yet, for a second straight year, Miami missed a bowl game due to self-imposed postseason sanctions. His tribute to Howard Schnellenberger ? a dress shirt, tie, slacks and jacket gameday attire ? has once again become an iconic symbol on the Hurricanes' sideline. After more than 10 freshmen saw starting time in '12, Miami could be the front-runner in the Coastal this fall. Golden still has much to prove in Coral Gables, but his resurrection job at Temple shows he's capable of elevating Miami back into ACC title contention - provided the program can dodge major NCAA sanctions from the ongoing investigation. 



20. David Shaw, Stanford
Overall Record at Stanford: 23-4 (2011-present)


Even after two years of winning at an 85-percent clip, there is still somewhat of an unknown factor with Shaw. He has finished tied for first in the Pac-12 North Division both seasons on the Farm, claimed a conference championship and won the school's first Rose Bowl since 1972. Jim Harbaugh and Andrew Luck built the Cardinal program back to respectability, and, now that expectations have been elevated significantly, it will be no small feat to maintain this level of success. Shaw is steeped in Stanford tradition as a player and is one of the most well-liked men in the business. If he keeps recruiting at a high level, the Cardinal will remain a factor in the Pac-12 North for years to come. However, the bar has been set high after the last few years, and it's easy to see just how valuable of a coach Harbaugh was after taking the 49ers to the Super Bowl in his second year in the NFL.
 

This post was edited on 4/16 8:23 PM by Tigris Panthera


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24. Les Miles, LSU
Record at LSU: 84-21 (2005-present)
Record at Oklahoma State: 28-21 (2001-04)
Overall Record: 113-42 (12 years)

Needless to say, Miles' interesting personality sometimes distracts from his coaching ability. The Ohio native got his chance to be a head coach in 2001, as he was hired to lead Oklahoma State. The Cowboys went 4-7 in his first year but recorded at least seven victories in each of the next three seasons. Miles parlayed his success with Oklahoma State into the top spot at LSU, which he has held since 2005. Under Miles, the Tigers have had plenty of success ? 84 victories and seven finishes in the Associated Press top 25 poll. LSU is 34-6 over the last three years and played for the national championship after the 2011 season. Although the Tigers have experienced plenty of success under Miles, there's also a sense of disappointment. LSU went 10-3 with a team that was picked among the top two by most preseason polls last season. The Tigers also had a disappointing 8-5 2008 campaign and are 1-3 in their last four bowl games. There's no question Miles is a solid coach, but he has plenty of talent at his disposal, and the Tigers have slightly underachieved

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I am not the biggest fan of Les Miles save his being a great person.  However, there are not 23 coaches in this country better than him and putting Steve Spurrier that high is a joke. He has been at South Carolina for exactly the same time Miles has been at LSU. Only Miles is averaging over 80% W's and Spurrier has averaged 64%. You can't add in his Florida record of 20 years ago when he and South Carolina have been a joke since before he arrived and ever since.  It is also a joke he is rated #8 in the SEC since he very clearly is among the Top three in this conference. Miles is a solid Top 10 coach .  In fact I would say a Top 6.  

 Athlon Magazine is and has been a joke for years and buying one of their rags is a waste of time and the rag is not worthy as bathroom reading material. I call BS on their entire ratings list.  
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Originally posted by Tigris Panthera:
KRAKATAU BY YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
http://www.myspace.com/yngwiemalmsteen/music/songs/krakatau-32405
Great memories! Used to listen to him and many other rock/metal bands in high school and college in the 80's. Yngwie Malmsteen is one of the best rock/metal guitarists of all time!
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Originally posted by LSU97:





Originally posted by Tigris Panthera:
KRAKATAU BY YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
http://www.myspace.com/yngwiemalmsteen/music/songs/krakatau-32405


Great memories! Used to listen to him and many other rock/metal bands in high school and college in the 80's. Yngwie Malmsteen is one of the best rock/metal guitarists of all time!




Finally, something we can agree on.

His most famous Stratocaster is his 1972 blonde Strat, nicknamed "The Duck" because of its yellow finish and the Donald Duck stickers on the headstock. An alternative nickname for this guitar is "Play Loud" due to a sticker on the upper horn of the guitar. Fender made 100 replica copies of this guitar and marketed it as the "Play Loud Guitar". He also has a signature Stratocaster. It comes in a Vintage White finish with a maple neck, either a maple or rosewood fretboard with scalloped frets and, from 2010, Seymour Duncan STK-S10 YJM "Fury" Model pickups. There is also a signature YJM100 Marshall amplifier, based on the '1959' amplifier range.


Malmsteen has stated that he prefers the Stratocaster (from 1968-1972) he claims that the bigger headstock on these generates more sustain. Yngwie customizes his guitars by fitting a brass nut, removing the middle string tree and scalloping the fretboard. He previously disconnected the tone controls on his guitars but has said that he no longer does this. He now uses his signature Seymour Duncan YJM Fury pickups. Before using the YJM's, he used DiMarzio pickups - most notably the HS3 model and the HS4 model and would use a HS3 in the bridge and HS4s in the middle and neck positions. In even earlier recordings, Malmsteen instead used the HS3 model in the neck and bridge positions and a disconnected stock Fender single coil pickup in the middle.


Outside of his Stratocasters, Yngwie has played non-Fender guitars (like Aria Pro II's in the early 1980s) and non-Strat-shaped guitars (like Flying V's), particularly early in his career. For acoustic and nylon string guitars, today Malmsteen plays his signature Ovation YM68's.

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Previous 2 years before Les Miles arrived at LSU, LSU lost 4 games. They also won a national title. Les inherited a team that could recruit with any program in the entire United States.  

Previous 2 years before Steve Spurrier arrived at South Carolina, South Carolina lost 12 games with one of those a losing season and no bowl games.  Spurrier inherited a program that got left over players in Georgia, and every once in awhile- Florida.  They also routinely lost major recruiting battles within the state.

Spurrier is 31-9 in the last 3 years- including back to back 11 win seasons at South Carolina- something never done in our history. We also finished in the top 10 last year.

That's not a "joke" of any kind.  The job Spurrier has done at South Carolina, of all places, is remarkable. That's why folks rank him so high in such polls.




Originally posted by Friendly Foe:

and putting Steve Spurrier that high is a joke. He has been at South Carolina for exactly the same time Miles has been at LSU. Only Miles is averaging over 80% W's and Spurrier has averaged 64%. You can't add in his Florida record of 20 years ago when he and South Carolina have been a joke since before he arrived and ever since.  



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And how many times has Spurrier beaten Miles while at SC?  How many SEC titles has SOS won at SC?  The answer to both = ZERO.

WHo has the distinction of being on the wrong end of the WORST ass kicking ever in the SECCG?  Hmmmmmm...could it be Steve Spurrier in 2010?

And stop it...SC was a fairly good team under Granny Holtz until he got caught cheating AGAIN!  The fact is....much of SC's success is directly attributable to UF, UT & UG having more than their share of off years since 2009..with all being down in 2010!  SC's rise has been a direct result of the East being far weaker than the West, especially in 2010 & 2011 (West went 27-9 vs East).  Since 2009, SC is 3-6 vs the West with one quality win (Bama in 2010). 
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I do think the league offices should be moved from Birmingham to another  city perhaps Jacksonville. Perhaps we could level the playing field in reguards to officiating as opposed to bama getting evert close call and every scheduling break.
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Originally posted by littleton tiger:
I do think the league offices should be moved from Birmingham to another  city perhaps Jacksonville. Perhaps we could level the playing field in reguards to officiating as opposed to bama getting evert close call and every scheduling break.



I would be all for the SEC offices moving to a neutral city (though Jacksonville isn't exactly neutral). The trick with that is what city and in what state? I guess ATL is the best choice but people are kidding themselves if they don't think it's more UGA than any other SEC team. Auburn also has a lot of presence in ATL.

The other trick is you have to have people working in the SEC offices that love SEC football and those people are going to probably be from the south and it also means they will have either gone to an SEC school or have some type of allegiance to one school or another. That will always be the case unless you hire a bunch of people who don't like football or people who just don't care for football in the SE.....which puts our conference at a major disadvantage. Other conferences are run by people who love sports in that particular conference (perhaps not at the commish level but below that, absolutely).

Finally, I understand the idea that fans always think other schools get all the calls. That is in our nature I guess but it's simply not true and the numbers bare that out. Our opponents (meaning whoever we're playing on a particular week) are continually one of the least penalized teams in the conference. Even if that team is typically highly penalized, they often have far fewer penalties called on them when they play Bama than they do other weeks in the season. I can provide facts to back that up, not just opinions or gut feelings. If Bama is truly "getting every close call" then it would stand to reason that our opponents would be highly penalized, right?

That's no flame, I understand how people think that. There are times when I feel the same way. There are calls that standout as BS to us too and several of them have been game and season changers for us. Make no mistake though, most fans think their own teams takes it in the shorts with regards to officiating. We are all biased and we seem to count and remember the bad calls that go against us while at the same time discounting and forgetting the bad calls that go our way and that's true for all of us. Watch a big game (that doesn't involve your own team) with fans from the teams playing and listen to their fans talk about officiating during the game. If you do that, there's a great chance you'll get to hear both sides complain that they're getting screwed by the refs.

All of that said, like I said above, I'd like to see the SEC moved as well so that 'Bama biased officiating' would stop being such a prevalent talking point. I don't believe it would actually change a thing though. The crappy part though is that Birmingham should apparently be excluded simply because of where it is while cities like ATL shouldn't.....which seems duplicitous but whatever. If it would shut that kind of crap down, I guess I could live with it. Atlanta is much less centralized within the SEC footprint however.

Maybe Jackson, Biloxi or Nashville would be better choices??? Those cities would all have a potential bias with their residents as well but at least it wouldn't be for Bama, right?
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1137, thanks for the well thought-out response and you are right as all fans think their team always gets the shortr end in officiating. Why not move the league offices to St. Louis.
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Originally posted by Rollerdude123:


Previous 2 years before Les Miles arrived at LSU, LSU lost 4 games. They also won a national title. Les inherited a team that could recruit with any program in the entire United States.  

 


  









One can not predict what will develop in the world of tomorrow by what happened yesterday.
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Originally posted by littleton tiger:
I do think the league offices should be moved from Birmingham to another  city perhaps Jacksonville. Perhaps we could level the playing field in reguards to officiating as opposed to bama getting evert close call and every scheduling break.




LSU should insist, demand or give an ultimatum of vacation from the SEC to the SEC that Southeastern Conference offices are moved to New Orleans for at least 20 years.
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Originally posted by Friendly Foe:
I am not the biggest fan of Les Miles save his being a great person.  However, there are not 23 coaches in this country better than him and putting Steve Spurrier that high is a joke. He has been at South Carolina for exactly the same time Miles has been at LSU. Only Miles is averaging over 80% W's and Spurrier has averaged 64%. You can't add in his Florida record of 20 years ago when he and South Carolina have been a joke since before he arrived and ever since.  It is also a joke he is rated #8 in the SEC since he very clearly is among the Top three in this conference. Miles is a solid Top 10 coach .  In fact I would say a Top 6.  

 Athlon Magazine is and has been a joke for years and buying one of their rags is a waste of time and the rag is not worthy as bathroom reading material. I call BS on their entire ratings list.  



you are right when you say south carolina football has been a joke over the years....that is why it took sos about 5 yrs to build the program...it is no longer a joke because of sos....matter of fact,only 2 sec teams have won 11 or more games in the last 2 yrs....us being one of them...i agree that miles is way too low,but like sos or not,nobody has ever built a successful program here,until he showed up...him nor south carolina are a joke in this conference or the nation...anybody that does'nt agree that sos is top 5,either has an ulterior motive,hates him,or does not realize just how bad our football program was.....and i am sure you will disagree,but you will be wrong....
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Originally posted by littleton tiger:
1137, thanks for the well thought-out response and you are right as all fans think their team always gets the shortr end in officiating. Why not move the league offices to St. Louis.



I still think ATL or Nashville would be better. With the new ESPN/SEC network coming out of Charlotte, that wouldn't be an awful idea either.
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